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[csbiblestudy] Re: All Scripture?

Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:45:00 GMT

Hi Mark,<br>I have been checking my email all day and have not received anything pertaining to reading the Bible or Science and Health in a year.  I checked on both and I am registered.  Can you help me?<br><br><font size="3"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><br><span style="" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><font size="4" face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive"><em>Debbie Lambert-Fisette</em></font></span></span><br><span style="" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"></span></span><font size="1"><font style="font-size: 16pt;" size="4">C</font>at </font></span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US">Ballew Works</span><span style="" lang="en-US"><sub>�</sub></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 16pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"></span></font><br> <p class="ecxEC_EC_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; 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font-size: 12pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 94%; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><font size="1"></font></span></span></span> </p> <p class="ecxEC_EC_MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 94%; font-family: Papyrus;" lang="en-US"><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 18pt; color: green; font-family: Webdings;" lang="EN-GB"><font style="" color="green"><font style="" face="Century Gothic">P</font></font></span><font color="green" face="Century Gothic"><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: green; font-family: 'Century Gothic';" lang="EN-GB">lease consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span></font></font></span></span></span></p><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:22:17 -0600<br>From: mark@csdirectory.com<br>To: cat-ballew@hotmail.com<br>Subject: Re: All Scripture?<br><br>Hi Farida, Elaine, Nancy, Joan and all.<div>Yes Nancy and Joan are correct.  THIS group is for the discussion of the Bible Lesson.</div><div><br></div><div>The two READING groups that will be beginning NEXT Thursday are:</div><div> reading Science and Health (about 2 pages a day M-F)</div><div>To join go to <a>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csreadinggroup.html</a></div><div><br></div><div> reading the Bible in Chronological order (you read from whatever translation or paraphrase you wish)</div><div>Assignments given out daily M-F.</div><div>To join go to <a>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/dailybible.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>I will be sending out general instructions at the beginning of next week.  </div><div>Glad to have you all on board for these projects.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Nancy Tuthill wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="ecxWordSection1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/dailybible.html</a></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">here ya go�I do believe this is for the reading one�below was the message with it that he sent to one of us�</span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">If you STAY with the CSBibleStudy group (the one you are receiving this email from) you can send and receive emails having to do with the study of the Christian Science Bible Lesson.  It will NOT include the reading assignments and discussion of the daily Bible reading.</div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">If you want to be a part of the reading of the Bible in Chronological Order you need to sign up for the "DailyBibleReadingGroup". Likewise it will NOT include discussions about the Bible Lesson (specifically).</div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">Just got a great example of why using the NKJV makes a big difference but will have to send tomorrow or tonight�bye</div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><table class="ecxMsoNormalTable" style="width: 6.5in; margin-left: 0.5in;" width="624" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0in;" valign="top"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>From: Farida Grewal <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: All Scripture?<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 5:31 AM</p><div id="ecxyiv474266796"><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Hi all,</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">What a blessing to have so many thinkers and researchers on board this journey as we delve into the Bible together.  </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">On a separate note, I am a bit uncertain as to how I should join the Bible reading session.  I thought I had.  So what are these conversations that we are having?  Are they not leading to our Bible Reading that commences on the 1st of July?  Can someone, perhaps Mark, set me right?</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Much love,</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Farida</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"> </span></div><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Elaine Crookston <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Thu, 24 June, 2010 5:41:07<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Re: All Scripture?<br></span><br>I, Elaine, am ssigned up for the Bible study.  I am going to use the Message Bible, by Petersen, just for a different approach.  Some very good insights today.</p><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Diane Rook <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">diane.rook@cox.net</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree that there are all levels and places the inspiration occurs for our instruction-before, during, after the writing; before, during, after the reading.   </span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I also would like to say that at times I have been inspired, and brought up to a higher spiritual understanding, with just a PHRASE from one of those �hard to read� (violent or promiscuous) passages from the Bible.  I truly enjoy what I call an �MBE�, which is what I understood she did when she prayed, to �randomly� (inspirationally and prepped with prayer) open the Bible and read exactly where the eyes fall.  Even though it could be said was taken out of context, that�s where the inspiration lay, within a few words of a phrase, and there was benefit in reading it.</span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I�m also very grateful for this discussion, the first real discussion I�ve experienced after signing onto the option.  I also want to say that I don�t think you are going to be included in the study of the Bible (instead of this, the study of the lesson), unless you are separately signed up for it as Mark indicated.</span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Love to all ,</span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Diane</span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Patti Faulkner [mailto:<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">pattifaulkner@ymail.com</a>]<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:21 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>CSBibleStudy Subscriber<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Re: All Scripture?</span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">Hi all...</div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">I've never read through the entire Bible and am looking forward to doing this with all of you beginning next week, but it certainly seems that some verses are more inspired than others.  I'm also realizing as I read more articles and research by Bible scholars that when you understand the background and context of some of the passages, the motivation of the author, and the audience he's writing for, the inspired teaching behind them comes through, so maybe I'm lacking the inspiration and knowledge to understand some of the passages that don't seem as inspiring.  </div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">As Mrs. Eddy said (and someone else shared) "the Bible came through inspiration and needs inspiration to be understood."  And she goes on to say, "Hence the misapprehension of the spiritual meaning of the Bible, and the misinterpretation of the Word in some instances by uninspired writers, who only wrote</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">down what an inspired teacher had said."  (S&H 319)  I'm sure the same could be said of uninspired translators and/or translators with a particular agenda.  So, the person who originally spoke the scripture may well have been  inspired, but some of the inspiration may have been lost along the way.  </div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">Looking forward to meaningful discussions on the Bible passages with all of you,</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">Patti </div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Joan Greig <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">pattifaulkner@ymail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Wed, June 23, 2010 10:17:17 AM<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>All Scripture?<br><br><br>In Sec. 3 of the Bible Lesson, the passage from II Tim. 3:16 reads, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".  This brings up the question which was once asked of me:  Is ALL scripture inspired by God?  I was asked this when serving as Second REader in my church.  The First Reader and I were practicing and after I read the passage, he asked if I believed ALL scripture is inspired?  At the time I couldn't really answer him.  Then last year I read the Bible from cover to cover and was appalled at some of the stories - incest, violence, cannibalism, etc.  When I saw my friend in church I referred back to his question and said, "My answer is No."  I certainly didn't think those references to the most base motives and actions are inspired.<br><br>But then the above passage would seem to be a lie.  As I read further in the passage...."and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", then I thought that perhaps this is what we derive from even reading about those awful events....we learn what NOT to do.  I'm still not sure that this is inspiration from  God, but I'd appreciate what others might think about this.<br><br>Thanks.<br>Joan<br><br><br>     <span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>--<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>CSBibleStudy� post messages to: <span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue; 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:15:00 GMT

<div class=WordSection1> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Ordinarily I’d reply to you, Elaine, as this is used only for the topic Mark tells us…but since the new groups start tomorrow I’ll share here [hope that’s OK, Mark]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>In Microsoft Outlook (MSO) you place your cursor on the ‘Inbox’ so that it’s highlighted; right click—a window will open with a place for you to fill in your Title of this sub-folder which will fall in under the <b>Inbox</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> Now I have three among my many: <b>001 CS B-LESSON GROUP<o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 001 CS DAILY BIBLE RDG GROUP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:2.0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 001 SH READING GROUP</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>The 001 enables them to be at the top of my sub-folders.  Years ago I started out with 01 in front. Maybe it’s time for some house-cleaning. Guess I won’t have time for that now though…<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>There is something else I’ve found very helpful over the years with regard to Bible-Lesson study. And it’s something I share with the middle and older Sunday school Classes…<i>to highlight in yellow the spiritual facts in the Bible Lesson</i>. If there isn’t a full sentence, parts of a sentence will catch my eye and I will highlight those ‘words/phrases’ to make a spiritual fact easily visible to me. that comes from Jesus’ words, You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free’… <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>It is of great concern to me that our children are not studying the <i>Bible</i> and <i>Science and Health</i> as we did before the Full Text days…which I use as well as most others do. But the weeks I set up my Books bring a comfortable remembrance. I should make that a habit—but I probably won’t now </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings; color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Now to some serious reading/study beginning tomorrow—still debating which translation to use<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>… and by the way, with sub-folders it’s very easy to go through and delete the snipits/little things and save the meat.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Script MT Bold"; color:#5F497A'>           <o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> </span></i><i><span style='font-size:20.0pt;font-family: "Script MT Bold";color:#5F497A'>Nancy T.  </span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans","sans-serif";color:#5F497A'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> <i>908-267-1116-C<o:p></o:p></i></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>      <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Elaine Crookston [mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:57 AM<br> <b>To:</b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>How did you set up the three sub-folders?  It sounds like a good idea.  What will you put in them?<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:nancytuthill@gmail.com">nancytuthill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Yes we are doing Science and Health but that is under csreading... --the group that just finished studying the Manual. Presently I have the 3 sub-folders in my Outlook Inbox. That should keep everything in order. <br> <br> Really appreciate all your good ideas. Nancy T. <o:p></o:p></p> <p style='margin-left:.5in'>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<o:p></o:p></p> <div style='margin-left:.5in'> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From: </b>"Elaine Crookston" <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>Date: </b>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:47:21 -0600<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>To: </b>CSBibleStudy Subscriber<<a href="mailto:nancytuthill@gmail.com" target="_blank">nancytuthill@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>ReplyTo: </b>"CSBibleStudy" <<a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>Subject: </b>Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Sheryl, this has been a discussion about a point in Science that Mark forwarded to us.  The Bible reading starts July 1.  Mark will be sending out an email about that.  I was a little confused as well, so I went back in and re-signed up and I received an email telling me that I was already signed up.  Why don't you do that as well, and then you will know for sure that you will get the email from Mark.  I think we are doing S&H as well, at least I bought a new S&H with the spiral binding for study purposes today, so if we are not doing S&H as well then I will do it on  my own.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Elaine<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Sheryl Bristow <<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=624 style='width:6.5in;margin-left:.5in'> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>I thought I had signed up for the group where we will be reading the bible in one year? I am confused. I thought I had followed Marks instructions... <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Much Appreciated,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Sheryl<br> <br> --- On <b>Tue, 6/29/10, Elaine Crookston <i><<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal><br> From: Elaine Crookston <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><br> Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:43 PM <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Elaine<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need.  Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body.  But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy.  It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing.  Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today!  Marge</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="e.autopilot@gmail.com">Elaine Crookston</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank" title="marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com/" target="_blank">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this.  I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body.  That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground".  "Jesus beheld, in Science" .  We are "in Science", no where else.  I am going to cling to that, hold to that.  I am very happy to be part of this discourse.  Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement!  Wow!<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:red'>Beloved<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='color:red'>Christian</span></b> <b><span style='color:red'>Scientists</span></b>, keep your minds so filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can be added to the mind already full. There is no door through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an <span style='font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif"'>impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </span>shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest upon are thereby benefited.  The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will towards men, health, and holiness. <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>MY:210:2  This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Much love,<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Elaine <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses.  Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me.  I know about being down on bended knee.  What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered.  </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is.  Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit.  They speak of matter as energy.  Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here."  Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body.  This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is.  What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Marge</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank" title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com">Joan Greig</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank" title="marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher.  I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be.  <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant.  I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed.  (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....)  I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God.  If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing?  There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated.  <br> <br> --- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br> From: marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br> Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br> To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness.  Is there only one Mind or not?  Where is the belief in other minds?</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>There is no "spread of erroneous thinking"  if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love.  Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk">Farida Grewal</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target="_blank" title="marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Joan,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'.  I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is.  Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history.  We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing.  It is truly an oasis in the desert.  I feel refreshed with every email I read.  What joyful fellowship we share.  <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Much love,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Farida<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <hr size=1 width="100%" align=center> </span></div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Joan Greig <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> <b>To:</b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</span><o:p></o:p></p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi Marge,</span> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading  “Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.  Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil.   I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.  And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.  It wants to dominate!  The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.  The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with Rome, etc. was being upset by the preacher from Galilee and the great following he was amassing.  Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.  </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.  TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.  This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.  It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</span> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.  If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.   </span> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</span> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</span> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do.   As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.  </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.  </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Joan</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><br> <br> --- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom: 5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br> From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br> To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described  in this month's June Journal?  I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden."  I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God.  The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth."   Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil?  Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment?  Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth.  Is this in any way reasonable?</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories.  The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more.  I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors.  To quote  S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea.  <u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u> This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>Comments? </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'>Marge</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </td> </tr> </table> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:55:00 GMT

How did you set up the three sub-folders? It sounds like a good idea. What will you put in them?<br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nancytuthill@gmail.com">nancytuthill@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div>Yes we are doing Science and Health but that is under csreading... --the group that just finished studying the Manual. Presently I have the 3 sub-folders in my Outlook Inbox. That should keep everything in order. <br> <br>Really appreciate all your good ideas. Nancy T. <p>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</p> <hr> <div class="im"> <div><b>From: </b>"Elaine Crookston" <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> </div></div> <div><b>Date: </b>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:47:21 -0600</div> <div><b>To: </b>CSBibleStudy Subscriber<<a href="mailto:nancytuthill@gmail.com" target="_blank">nancytuthill@gmail.com</a>></div> <div><b>ReplyTo: </b>"CSBibleStudy" <<a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a>> </div> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <div><b>Subject: </b>Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div>Sheryl, this has been a discussion about a point in Science that Mark forwarded to us. The Bible reading starts July 1. Mark will be sending out an email about that. I was a little confused as well, so I went back in and re-signed up and I received an email telling me that I was already signed up. Why don't you do that as well, and then you will know for sure that you will get the email from Mark. I thnik we are doing S&H as well, at least I bought a new S&H with the spiral binding for study purposes today, so if we are not doing S&H as well then I will do it on my own.</div> <div> </div> <div>Warm regards,</div> <div>Elaine<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Sheryl Bristow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>I thought I had signed up for the group where we will be reading the bible in one year? I am confused. I thought I had followed Marks instructions... </div> <div> </div> <div>Much Appreciated,</div> <div>Sheryl<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 6/29/10, Elaine Crookston <i><<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Elaine Crookston <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> <div><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></div>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:43 PM <div> <div></div> <div><br><br> <div> <div>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.</div> <div>Elaine</div> <div>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need. Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body. But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<br> <br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy. It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing. Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today! Marge</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="e.autopilot@gmail.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=e.autopilot@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elaine Crookston</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this. I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body. That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground". "Jesus beheld, in Science" . We are "in Science", no where else. I am going to cling to that, hold to that. I am very happy to be part of this discourse. Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement! Wow!</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</div> <div> <dir><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"> <div>Beloved</div></font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"></font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Christian</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Scientists</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">be added to the mind already full. There is no door </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">upon are thereby benefited. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">towards men, health, and holiness.</font></font> <div><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">MY:210:2 This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</font></font></div></dir></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Elaine <br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses. Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me. I know about being down on bended knee. What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered. </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is. Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. They speak of matter as energy. Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here." Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body. This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is. What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</font></div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div><font color="#888888"> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></font> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joan Greig</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher. I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be. </div> <div> </div> <div>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant. I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed. (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....) I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God. If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing? There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated. <br> <br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br> Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<br><br> <div> <div><font size="2">In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness. Is there only one Mind or not? Where is the belief in other minds?</font></div> <div><font size="2">There is no "spread of erroneous thinking" if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love. Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farida Grewal</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <div>Dear Joan,</div> <div><br></div> <div>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'. I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is. Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history. We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing. It is truly an oasis in the desert. I feel refreshed with every email I read. What joyful fellowship we share. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Farida</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joan Greig <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></font><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Hi Marge,</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <span> </span>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<span> </span>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <span> </span>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<span> </span>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<span> </span>It wants to dominate!<span> </span>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<span> </span>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<span> </span>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<span> </span></span></font> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<span> </span>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<span> </span>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<span> </span>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<span> </span>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<span> </span><span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <span> </span>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <div><font face="Verdana"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana">Joan</font></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <div></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<br><br> <div>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<br> <div><br> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"> </div></div><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</font></div> <div><font size="2">Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described in this month's June Journal? I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden." I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God. The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth." Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </font><font size="2"> Is this in any way reasonable?</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories. The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more. I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors. To quote S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <span> </span><u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u><span> </span>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Comments? </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote></div><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></blockquote> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:00:00 GMT

Yes we are doing Science and Health but that is under csreading... --the group that just finished studying the Manual. Presently I have the 3 sub-folders in my Outlook Inbox. That should keep everything in order. <br/><br/>Really appreciate all your good ideas. Nancy T. <p>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</p><hr/><div><b>From: </b> "Elaine Crookston" <e.autopilot@gmail.com> </div><div><b>Date: </b>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:47:21 -0600</div><div><b>To: </b>CSBibleStudy Subscriber<nancytuthill@gmail.com></div><div><b>ReplyTo: </b> "CSBibleStudy" <csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com> </div><div><b>Subject: </b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div><div><br/></div> <div>Sheryl, this has been a discussion about a point in Science that Mark forwarded to us. The Bible reading starts July 1. Mark will be sending out an email about that. I was a little confused as well, so I went back in and re-signed up and I received an email telling me that I was already signed up. Why don't you do that as well, and then you will know for sure that you will get the email from Mark. I thnik we are doing S&H as well, at least I bought a new S&H with the spiral binding for study purposes today, so if we are not doing S&H as well then I will do it on my own.</div> <div> </div> <div>Warm regards,</div> <div>Elaine<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Sheryl Bristow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>I thought I had signed up for the group where we will be reading the bible in one year? I am confused. I thought I had followed Marks instructions... </div> <div> </div> <div>Much Appreciated,</div> <div>Sheryl<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 6/29/10, Elaine Crookston <i><<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Elaine Crookston <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> <div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></div>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:43 PM <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"><br><br> <div> <div>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.</div> <div>Elaine</div> <div>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need. Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body. But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<br> <br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy. It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing. Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today! Marge</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="e.autopilot@gmail.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=e.autopilot@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elaine Crookston</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this. I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body. That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground". "Jesus beheld, in Science" . We are "in Science", no where else. I am going to cling to that, hold to that. I am very happy to be part of this discourse. Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement! Wow!</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</div> <div> <dir><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"> <div>Beloved</div></font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"></font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Christian</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Scientists</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">be added to the mind already full. There is no door </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">upon are thereby benefited. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">towards men, health, and holiness.</font></font> <div><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">MY:210:2 This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</font></font></div></dir></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Elaine <br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses. Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me. I know about being down on bended knee. What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered. </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is. Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. They speak of matter as energy. Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here." Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body. This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is. What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</font></div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div><font color="#888888"> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></font> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joan Greig</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher. I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be. </div> <div> </div> <div>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant. I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed. (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....) I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God. If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing? There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated. <br> <br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br> Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<br><br> <div> <div><font size="2">In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness. Is there only one Mind or not? Where is the belief in other minds?</font></div> <div><font size="2">There is no "spread of erroneous thinking" if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love. Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farida Grewal</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <div>Dear Joan,</div> <div><br></div> <div>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'. I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is. Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history. We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing. It is truly an oasis in the desert. I feel refreshed with every email I read. What joyful fellowship we share. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Farida</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joan Greig <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></font><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Hi Marge,</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <span> </span>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<span> </span>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <span> </span>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<span> </span>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<span> </span>It wants to dominate!<span> </span>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<span> </span>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<span> </span>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<span> </span></span></font> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<span> </span>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<span> </span>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<span> </span>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<span> </span>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<span> </span><span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <span> </span>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <div><font face="Verdana"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana">Joan</font></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <div></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<br><br> <div>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<br> <div><br> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"> </div></div><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</font></div> <div><font size="2">Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described in this month's June Journal? I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden." I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God. The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth." Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </font><font size="2"> Is this in any way reasonable?</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories. The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more. I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors. To quote S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <span> </span><u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u><span> </span>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Comments? </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote></div><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></blockquote> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:45:00 GMT

<div>Sheryl, this has been a discussion about a point in Science that Mark forwarded to us. The Bible reading starts July 1. Mark will be sending out an email about that. I was a little confused as well, so I went back in and re-signed up and I received an email telling me that I was already signed up. Why don't you do that as well, and then you will know for sure that you will get the email from Mark. I thnik we are doing S&H as well, at least I bought a new S&H with the spiral binding for study purposes today, so if we are not doing S&H as well then I will do it on my own.</div> <div> </div> <div>Warm regards,</div> <div>Elaine<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Sheryl Bristow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>I thought I had signed up for the group where we will be reading the bible in one year? I am confused. I thought I had followed Marks instructions... </div> <div> </div> <div>Much Appreciated,</div> <div>Sheryl<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 6/29/10, Elaine Crookston <i><<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Elaine Crookston <<a href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.autopilot@gmail.com</a>> <div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></div>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:sherylbristow@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sherylbristow@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:43 PM <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"><br><br> <div> <div>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.</div> <div>Elaine</div> <div>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need. Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body. But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<br> <br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy. It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing. Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today! Marge</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="e.autopilot@gmail.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=e.autopilot@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Elaine Crookston</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this. I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body. That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground". "Jesus beheld, in Science" . We are "in Science", no where else. I am going to cling to that, hold to that. I am very happy to be part of this discourse. Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement! Wow!</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</div> <div> <dir><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"> <div>Beloved</div></font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"></font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Christian</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Scientists</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">be added to the mind already full. There is no door </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">upon are thereby benefited. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">towards men, health, and holiness.</font></font> <div><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">MY:210:2 This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</font></font></div></dir></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Elaine <br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div> <div><font size="2">Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses. Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me. I know about being down on bended knee. What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered. </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is. Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. They speak of matter as energy. Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here." Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body. This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is. What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</font></div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div><font color="#888888"> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></font> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Joan Greig</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher. I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be. </div> <div> </div> <div>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant. I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed. (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....) I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God. If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing? There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated. <br> <br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: marge <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br> Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<br><br> <div> <div><font size="2">In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness. Is there only one Mind or not? Where is the belief in other minds?</font></div> <div><font size="2">There is no "spread of erroneous thinking" if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love. Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farida Grewal</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <div>Dear Joan,</div> <div><br></div> <div>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'. I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is. Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history. We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing. It is truly an oasis in the desert. I feel refreshed with every email I read. What joyful fellowship we share. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Farida</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joan Greig <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></font><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Hi Marge,</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <span> </span>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<span> </span>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <span> </span>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<span> </span>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<span> </span>It wants to dominate!<span> </span>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<span> </span>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<span> </span>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<span> </span></span></font> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<span> </span>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<span> </span>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<span> </span>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<span> </span>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<span> </span><span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <span> </span>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <div><font face="Verdana"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana">Joan</font></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <div></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<br><br> <div>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<br> <div><br> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"> </div></div><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</font></div> <div><font size="2">Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described in this month's June Journal? I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden." I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God. The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth." Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </font><font size="2"> Is this in any way reasonable?</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories. The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more. I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors. To quote S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <span> </span><u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u><span> </span>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Comments? </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote></div><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></blockquote> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:50:00 GMT

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I thought I had signed up for the group where we will be reading the bible in one year? I am confused. I thought I had followed Marks instructions... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Much Appreciated,</DIV> <DIV>Sheryl<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 6/29/10, Elaine Crookston <I><e.autopilot@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Elaine Crookston <e.autopilot@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <sherylbristow@yahoo.com><BR>Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 10:43 PM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv402040721> <DIV>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.</DIV> <DIV>Elaine</DIV> <DIV>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need.  Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body.  But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy.  It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing.  Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today!  Marge</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=im> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=e.autopilot@gmail.com href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=e.autopilot@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com">Elaine Crookston</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=h5> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <A href="http://csdirectory.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>csdirectory.com</A>, so I am cc'g her on this.  I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body.  That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground".  "Jesus beheld, in Science" .  We are "in Science", no where else.  I am going to cling to that, hold to that.  I am very happy to be part of this discourse.  Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement!  Wow!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</DIV> <DIV> <DIR><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000> <DIV>Beloved</DIV></FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000>Christian</FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ff0000>Scientists</FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>be added to the mind already full. There is no door </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>upon are thereby benefited.  </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>towards men, health, and holiness.</FONT></FONT> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>MY:210:2  This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIR></DIV> <DIV>Much love,</DIV> <DIV>Elaine <BR><BR></DIV> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses.  Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me.  I know about being down on bended knee.  What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is.  Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit.  They speak of matter as energy.  Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here."  Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body.  This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is.  What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Marge</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com">Joan Greig</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <DIV>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher.  I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant.  I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed.  (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....)  I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God.  If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing?  There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated.  <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <I><<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: marge <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness.  Is there only one Mind or not?  Where is the belief in other minds?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>There is no "spread of erroneous thinking"  if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love.  Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Farida Grewal</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <DIV>Dear Joan,</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'.  I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is.  Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history.  We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing.  It is truly an oasis in the desert.  I feel refreshed with every email I read.  What joyful fellowship we share.  </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Much love,</DIV> <DIV>Farida</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joan Greig <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR></FONT><BR> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>Hi Marge,</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <SPAN> </SPAN>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <SPAN>  </SPAN>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It wants to dominate!<SPAN>  </SPAN>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<SPAN>  </SPAN></SPAN></FONT> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<SPAN>  </SPAN>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<SPAN>  </SPAN>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<SPAN>  </SPAN>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<SPAN>  </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <SPAN>  </SPAN>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Joan</FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <I><<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: mark mohlenbrock <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</A>><BR>Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<BR><BR> <DIV>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<BR> <DIV><BR> <DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV></DIV><SPAN style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described  in this month's June Journal?  I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden."  I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God.  The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth."   Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </FONT><FONT size=2> Is this in any way reasonable?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories.  The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more.  I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors.  To quote  S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <SPAN> </SPAN><U>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </U><SPAN> </SPAN>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Comments? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Marge</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <DIV><SPAN>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="http://us.mc1202.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> 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[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:15:00 GMT

<div>Marge, your quest for understanding drove me straight to the books, I am working through something and this quest is helping me, so thank you for bringing this out.</div> <div>Elaine</div> <div>By the way, I live in Toronto, where the G20, etc., is going on, so please support this city in its time of need. Please pass this on to all Christian Scientists that you kn, for unruly and undisciplined behavior seems rampant, four men even called climed out of a sewer to get at the heads of the world government body. But we know who governs, so please lend your support.<br> <br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font size="2">Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy. It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing. Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today! Marge</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div class="im"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="e.autopilot@gmail.com" href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com" target="_blank">Elaine Crookston</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com/" target="_blank">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this. I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body. That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground". "Jesus beheld, in Science" . We are "in Science", no where else. I am going to cling to that, hold to that. I am very happy to be part of this discourse. Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement! Wow!</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</div> <div> <dir><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"> <p>Beloved</p></font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"></font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Christian</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Scientists</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">be added to the mind already full. There is no door </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">upon are thereby benefited. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">towards men, health, and holiness.</font></font> <p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">MY:210:2 This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</font></font></p></dir></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Elaine <br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font size="2">Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses. Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me. I know about being down on bended knee. What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered. </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is. Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. They speak of matter as energy. Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here." Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body. This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is. What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</font></div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div><font color="#888888"> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></font> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Joan Greig</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher. I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be. </div> <div> </div> <div>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant. I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed. (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....) I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God. If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing? There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated. <br> <br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: marge <<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br> To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<br><br> <div> <div><font size="2">In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness. Is there only one Mind or not? Where is the belief in other minds?</font></div> <div><font size="2">There is no "spread of erroneous thinking" if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love. Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farida Grewal</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <div>Dear Joan,</div> <div><br></div> <div>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'. I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is. Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history. We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing. It is truly an oasis in the desert. I feel refreshed with every email I read. What joyful fellowship we share. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Farida</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joan Greig <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="mailto:fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></font><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Hi Marge,</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <span> </span>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<span> </span>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <span> </span>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<span> </span>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<span> </span>It wants to dominate!<span> </span>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<span> </span>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<span> </span>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<span> </span></span></font> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<span> </span>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<span> </span>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<span> </span>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<span> </span>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<span> </span><span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <span> </span>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <div><font face="Verdana"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana">Joan</font></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <div></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<br> <br> <div>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<br> <div><br> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"> </div></div><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</font></div> <div><font size="2">Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described in this month's June Journal? I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden." I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God. The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth." Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </font><font size="2"> Is this in any way reasonable?</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories. The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more. I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors. To quote S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <span> </span><u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u><span> </span>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Comments? </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote></div><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></blockquote> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></div> <div></div></div><br> <div>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></div> </blockquote> <div>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></div> </div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <p>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></blockquote> <div> <div></div> <div> <p>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Best Regards,<br>Elaine<br> <p>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></blockquote> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <p>-- CSBibleStudy post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Best Regards,<br>Elaine<br>

[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:35:00 GMT

<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for this reminder quote from Mrs. Eddy.  It seems this is a clear simple answer to what we have been discussing.  Instead of "watching for hidden evil" we just need to keep our minds so filled with Truth and love that sin, disease and death cannot enter. Now I hope to do that today!  Marge</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=e.autopilot@gmail.com href="mailto:e.autopilot@gmail.com">Elaine Crookston</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="mailto:marlou@cox.net">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:26 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <A href="http://csdirectory.com">csdirectory.com</A>, so I am cc'g her on this.  I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body.  That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground".  "Jesus beheld, in Science" .  We are "in Science", no where else.  I am going to cling to that, hold to that.  I am very happy to be part of this discourse.  Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement!  Wow!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</DIV> <DIV> <DIR><B><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman"> <P>Beloved</P></FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><B><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman">Christian</FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><B><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Times New Roman">Scientists</FONT></FONT></B><FONT face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>be added to the mind already full. There is no door </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>upon are thereby benefited.  </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>towards men, health, and holiness.</FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>MY:210:2  This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</FONT></FONT></P></DIR></DIV> <DIV>Much love,</DIV> <DIV>Elaine <BR><BR></DIV> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=gmail_quote> <DIV bgcolor="#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses.  Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me.  I know about being down on bended knee.  What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is.  Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit.  They speak of matter as energy.  Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here."  Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body.  This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is.  What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Marge</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV class=im> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=joanieg_oh@yahoo.com href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Joan Greig</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target=_blank>CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=h5> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <DIV>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher.  I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant.  I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed.  (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....)  I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God.  If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing?  There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated.  <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <I><<A href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target=_blank>marlou@cox.net</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: marge <<A href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target=_blank>marlou@cox.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<A href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank>joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness.  Is there only one Mind or not?  Where is the belief in other minds?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>There is no "spread of erroneous thinking"  if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love.  Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Farida Grewal</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=marlou@cox.net href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank>CSBibleStudy Subscriber</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <DIV>Dear Joan,</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'.  I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is.  Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history.  We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing.  It is truly an oasis in the desert.  I feel refreshed with every email I read.  What joyful fellowship we share.  </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Much love,</DIV> <DIV>Farida</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma> <HR SIZE=1> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joan Greig <<A href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank>joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<A href="mailto:fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target=_blank>fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR></FONT><BR> <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>Hi Marge,</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <SPAN> </SPAN>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <SPAN>  </SPAN>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<SPAN>  </SPAN>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It wants to dominate!<SPAN>  </SPAN>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<SPAN>  </SPAN></SPAN></FONT> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<SPAN>  </SPAN>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<SPAN>  </SPAN>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<SPAN>  </SPAN>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<SPAN>  </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <SPAN>  </SPAN>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Verdana>No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Joan</FONT></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <I><<A href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>subscriptions@csdirectory.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: mark mohlenbrock <<A href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>subscriptions@csdirectory.com</A>><BR>Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<A href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target=_blank>joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<BR><BR> <DIV>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<BR> <DIV><BR> <DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"> </DIV></DIV><SPAN style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described  in this month's June Journal?  I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden."  I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God.  The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth."   Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <SPAN> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </FONT><FONT size=2> Is this in any way reasonable?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories.  The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more.  I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors.  To quote  S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <SPAN> </SPAN><U>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </U><SPAN> </SPAN>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Comments? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Marge</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <DIV><SPAN>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <DIV><SPAN>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> <DIV>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <P>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=h5> <P>-- CSBibleStudy post messages to: <A href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target=_blank>csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Best Regards,<BR>Elaine<BR>

[csbiblestudy] Re: thank you Marge

Sun, 27 Jun 2010 01:50:00 GMT

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Yes, we do know - the pearl of great price.  Dee<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 6/26/10, Elaine Crookston <I><e.autopilot@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Elaine Crookston <e.autopilot@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: thank you Marge<BR>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <dmaymo@yahoo.com><BR>Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 8:30 PM<BR><BR> <DIV id=yiv2092032065>Hi Dee:  But we do know, don't we.  We have paid a great price for our religion, all of us.  I know that Einstein had a Scinece and Health on his desk.  There are lots of "closet" Christian Scientists.<BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Dee <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc528.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dmaymo@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:dmaymo@yahoo.com">dmaymo@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=gmail_quote><BR>I just wanted to say thank you Marge for the beautiful way that you expressed yourself.  I especially enjoyed the part - Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit.  They speak of matter as energy.  Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here."<BR><BR>Dee<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>CSBibleStudy— post messages to:  <A href="http://us.mc528.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</A><BR>Manage your membership or access the group archives:<BR><A href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</A><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Best Regards,<BR>Elaine<BR> <DIV>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com Manage your membership or access the group archives: http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>

[csbiblestudy] Re: thank you Marge

Sun, 27 Jun 2010 00:30:00 GMT

Hi Dee:� But we do know, don't we.� We have paid a great price for our religion, all of us.� I know that Einstein had a Scinece and Health on his desk.� There are lots of "closet" Christian Scientists.<br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Dee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmaymo@yahoo.com">dmaymo@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br>I just wanted to say thank you Marge for the beautiful way that you expressed yourself. �I especially enjoyed the part - Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. �They speak of matter as energy. �Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here."<br> <br>Dee<br><font color="#888888"><br><br><br><br><br><br>--<br>CSBibleStudy� post messages to: �<a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a><br>Manage your membership or access the group archives:<br> <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a><br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Best Regards,<br>Elaine<br>

[csbiblestudy] Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"

Sun, 27 Jun 2010 00:25:00 GMT

<div>I have a great friend who is a journal listed practitioner and a member of <a href="http://csdirectory.com">csdirectory.com</a>, so I am cc'g her on this. I am not correcting you, but you never were born into a body. That is part of the second chapter of Genesis, when "a mist came up and watered the ground". "Jesus beheld, in Science" . We are "in Science", no where else. I am going to cling to that, hold to that. I am very happy to be part of this discourse. Just look what you started by simply asking for a clarification of a statement! Wow!</div> <div> </div> <div>Now, I have just searched through Concord, and came up with the following:</div> <div> <dir><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"> <p>Beloved</p></font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Christian</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><b><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman"><font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">Scientists</font></font></b><font face="Times New Roman">, keep your minds so </font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">filled with Truth and Love, that sin, disease, and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">death cannot enter them. It is plain that nothing can </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">be added to the mind already full. There is no door </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">through which evil can enter, and no space for evil to fill </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">in a mind filled with goodness. Good thoughts are an </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">impervious armor; clad therewith you are completely </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">shielded from the attacks of error of every sort. And not </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">only yourselves are safe, but all whom your thoughts rest </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">upon are thereby benefited. </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The self-seeking pride of the evil thinker injures him </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">when he would harm others. Goodness involuntarily </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">resists evil. The evil thinker is the proud talker and </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">doer. The right thinker abides under the shadow of the </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Almighty. His thoughts can only reflect peace, good will </font></font><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">towards men, health, and holiness.</font></font> <p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">MY:210:2 This article is followed by Ways That are Vain.</font></font></p></dir></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Elaine <br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 7:50 PM, marge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net">marlou@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font size="2">Thanks Elaine, Joan and Farida for your wise responses. Oh how I know it isn't easy to see the unreality of evil and matter, especially when it is screeming at me. I know about being down on bended knee. What a joyous blessing it is when the realization of God's allness and my oneness with it comes. When error doesn't seem to yield, I really don't think it is anything outside of my consciousness maliciously attacking me, I know as I stay focused on God whatever needs to be uncovered within my own consciousness will be uncovered. </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">It has helped me to not think of "doing away with matter" but to know what we experience as a "body at a typewriter"is not what we think it is. Quantum physics has helped me to get my head around this a bit. They speak of matter as energy. Einstein was blown away by Christian Science attended NY and Princeton churches and the Princeton Reading room and as I remember said when leaving the reading room "You people don't know what you have here." Kimball warned not to do away with our liver, etc.</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">I certainly know my own difficulty in resisting the conviction that my life began when I was born into a body. This is not just a belief it is the world's solid conviction. It is VERY obvious to me what my problem is. What a spectacular discovery CS is, and what a great journey we have in proving it and in saving Christianity for the world.</font></div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div><font color="#888888"> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"> </font></div></font> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div class="im"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Joan Greig</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div></div> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:21 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>After reading your first post, I thought perhaps we ought to wright Tom Black directly; he's a teacher. I wonder what his response to all of these posts would be. </div> <div> </div> <div>Re attributing consciousness or intent to evil isn't what I meant. I think you could say IF evil were real, it wouldn't want to be destroyed. (At least that's the way it has always been presented to me....) I have always tried to focus entirely on the ALLNESS of God, Mind, and the NOTHINGNESS of anything unlike God. If Truth does the correcting and the end result is healing, why then do we not always have an immediate healing? There appears to be a resistance or belief in resistance if you will....and that needs to be dealt with and eliminated. <br> <br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/26/10, marge <i><<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: marge <<a href="mailto:marlou@cox.net" target="_blank">marlou@cox.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br> To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1:16 PM<br><br> <div> <div><font size="2">In my view, erroneous thinking is not "out there" but always in our own consciousness. Is there only one Mind or not? Where is the belief in other minds?</font></div> <div><font size="2">There is no "spread of erroneous thinking" if we absolutely know the Truth ourselves and are demonstrating it and Love. Somehow to focus on what may "be hidden" certainly is not focusing on the fact that God is all.</font></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Farida Grewal</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="marlou@cox.net" href="http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=marlou@cox.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CSBibleStudy Subscriber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 25, 2010 3:32 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> <div>Dear Joan,</div> <div><br></div> <div>What a wonderfully thoughtful and thought-provoking response to Marge's email, which got me thinking more deeply about what is our individual role in uncovering 'hidden evil'. I live in the Middle East and it has been very hard at times to see the error, but not openly declare it for what it is. Islam today is more prolific (and blatant) in the way it attacks the Christ, and the man who lived it better than any other, than any other denomination in mankind's history. We have to go higher in thought to counter this spread of erroneous thinking whether it comes from denominations, pharmaceuticals, material sciences, or even the political arena where spiritual healing is being sidelined. </div> <div><br></div> <div>I thank you all for the deep and clear thoughts that you are sharing. It is truly an oasis in the desert. I feel refreshed with every email I read. What joyful fellowship we share. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Much love,</div> <div>Farida</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><br> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Joan Greig <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> CSBibleStudy Subscriber <<a href="mailto:fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">fgrewal@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 25 June, 2010 23:52:53<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br></font><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Hi Marge,</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">It took me 3 days to read the article you are referring to – or at least to get the gist of it. </font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve always been puzzled about this question of hidden evil, but have been daily reading <span> </span>“Ways that are vain” in Miscy. P. 210 – 213.<span> </span>Mrs. Eddy speaks of being alert to the claims of evil. <span> </span>I think the term “world’s hatred of the Truth” refers not to human beings but materialism itself….because Truth destroys what is untrue, i.e. material beliefs.<span> </span>And materialism doesn’t want to be destroyed.<span> </span>It wants to dominate!<span> </span>The idea of “organized” evil makes me think of what was behind Jesus’ crucifixion.<span> </span>The collective fear of the Pharisees (and Sadduccees) that their whole way of life, their relationship with </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rome</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, etc. was being upset by the preacher from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Galilee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> and the great following he was amassing.<span> </span>Granted Jesus consented to go through the ordeal, but on his own terms, but what lay behind the whole thing might be thought of as “organized evil”.<span> </span></span></font> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The medical establishment is another organized group generally opposed to what CS teaches because if everyone embraced CS, the doctors, hospitals and drug companies would go out of business.<span> </span>TV ads are hypnotic and are designed to infiltrate human thought so as to get one to think disease is real, is in matter, needs material treatment, is life-threatening if not treated by their methods….etc. etc. etc.<span> </span>This is designed to undermine everything we as CS stand for.<span> </span>It is not so hidden, but needs to be addressed in thought constantly.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">The R.C. church teachings constitute “organization” opposed to what CS teaches, i.e. Truth.<span> </span>If every individual has his own direct relationship with God, then so much of orthodoxy would be obsolete and useless.<span> </span><span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">These are perhaps what Tom Black is referring to in his article, and he wants us to be aware of the “claims” of these so-called influences so we don’t naively dismiss what they are trying to do, but contrariwise, KNOW that nothing can interfere with the Truth and its demonstration.</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">Voodoo, for instance, is sheer superstition, but people who believe in it are affected by its curses and claims</font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">I think the important thing is not to become afraid of any so-called evil power, but to be alert to what it claims to be able to do. <span> </span>As far as our church attendance and Reading Rooms are concerned, perhaps our prayers should be directed to knowing that no one who is searching for God (good) can be misled or diverted from finding it – that they cannot be mesmerized by worldliness or lies.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana"></font></span> <div></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Verdana">No question that better and quicker healing needs to be demonstrated, and not only that, non-CS people need to see it happening.<span> </span></font></span> <div></div> <div><font face="Verdana"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana">Joan</font></div> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/25/10, mark mohlenbrock <i><<a href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <div></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: mark mohlenbrock <<a href="mailto:subscriptions@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">subscriptions@csdirectory.com</a>><br> Subject: Fwd: lesson discussion "malicious mental elements"<br>To: "CSBibleStudy Subscriber" <<a href="mailto:joanieg_oh@yahoo.com" target="_blank">joanieg_oh@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:18 PM<br> <br> <div>A message from group member Marge Thornton forwarded on her behalf.<br> <div><br> <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"> </div></div><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px"> <div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">The lesson this week is so clear concerning the essential teaching of Christian Science,which is in accord with the Bible, that "Infinite Mind creates and governs all from the mental molecule to infinity."</font></div> <div><font size="2">Can someone please explain to me "the seeming presence and action of malicious mental elements" that is described in this month's June Journal? I have been studying Christian Science for 50 years and have never had to deal with "malicious mental elements" that are "hidden." I always know what the problem is if I have evil in my experience. The problem is that in some way I am breaking the first commandment and believing in a power apart from God. The article in the Journal goes on to say "To condemn ourselves or others for the false beliefs is, in many cases, to cover over the real culprit which is organized hatred of truth." Isn't blaming "organized hatred" making oneself a victim and expanding the belief of evil? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't believing there IS a culprit that is organized hatred of truth actually breaking the first commandment? <span> </span></font><font size="2">Isn't it like saying that if I believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5 may not be my false belief, but it could be the organized hatred of the truth. </font><font size="2"> Is this in any way reasonable?</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">To believe Christian Science is pretty counter-intuitive to present prevasive health theories. The only way in my view to overcome this is for us to heal more. I cannot believe there is hatred of Truth; however, In present world systems absolute Truth is difficult to believe. When someone does not enter a reading room, is it "the worlde's hatred of truth" or is it that someone thinks our beliefs are pretty fair out to believe we do not need doctors. To quote S 109:4 in this weeks lesson: "Christian Science reveals incontrovertibly that Mind is All in all, that the only realities are the divine Mind and idea. <span> </span><u>This great fact is not, however, seen to be supported by sensible evidence, until its divine Principle is demonstrated by healing the sick and thus proved absolute and divine. </u><span> </span>This proof once seen, no other conclusion can be reached." (underlining mine)</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Comments? </font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2">Marge</font></div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div> <div><font size="2"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote></div><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></blockquote> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <div><span>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></span></div> </div></div> <div></div></div><br> <div>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></div> </blockquote> <div>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></div> </div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br> <p>-- CSBibleStudy— post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></blockquote> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <p>-- CSBibleStudy post messages to: <a href="mailto:csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com" target="_blank">csbiblestudy-post@csdirectory.com</a> Manage your membership or access the group archives: <a href="http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html" target="_blank">http://www.csdirectory.com/community/csbiblestudy.html</a></p> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Best Regards,<br>Elaine<br>